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With 64,341 preferential votes, Claudia Gamon was elected to the European Parliament on the NEOS list. In an interview with \u201cPaneuropa\u201d, she speaks about European citizenship and the United States of Europe. <\/em><\/p>\n

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Paneuropa: We would like to offer our warmest congratulations on your outstanding preferential vote result. The European Parliament is elected for five years; unlike national parliaments, it is not occasionally dissolved early. You represent just over 64,000 people who voted for you directly. What are your concrete ideas, goals, and priorities for these next five years? <\/p>\n

Claudia Gamon: From the NEOS perspective, the priority is that we will work on those major reform projects that we communicated during the election campaign. That is the absolute priority. And for me personally, of course, that the European Union continues to make progress in the fields of innovation and science, and becomes a global leader in technology regulation. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: May I ask a very fundamental question: What does Europe and European integration mean to you?<\/p>\n

We will then be citizens of the European Union<\/h5>\n

Gamon: European integration means freedom for all citizens
\n of the Union to be able to use the entire continent and to be citizens of Europe, and not just of a single nation state.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: During the election campaign, there was a slogan that NEOS coined very strongly, which you also used repeatedly: \u201cUnited States of Europe \u2013 We\u2019re doing it.\u201d What does the United States of Europe mean? <\/p>\n

Gamon: The United States of Europe would be a model for the future that enables Europe to preserve the European way of life for the future, because the European Union is coming under increasing pressure from global power shifts and from economically strong but undemocratic or even dictatorial regimes around the world. Europe must counter this, and the United States of Europe is a way to do so. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: But what does that mean in concrete terms? What is Europe then? Is it a state, the European Union? <\/p>\n

The principle of subsidiarity applies<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Europe is then a federal state in which, of course, the individual member states continue to retain their national identity, but something new is created on a level above them. The principle of subsidiarity fundamentally continues to apply. That is a basic political principle. But it means that on the big questions, such as defence, but also of course democracy, there will be more European competences. This federal principle would be the possibility. From a confederation of states to a federal state, let\u2019s put it that way. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: The big questions\u2014foreign and security policy\u2014would those then be European competences?<\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: That means there would then be a European Foreign Minister and\u2026<\/p>\n

Gamon: \u2026 Yes, and a European Finance Minister, and so on and so forth\u2026<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: \u2026 Who would then not just coordinate 28 member countries, or would they?<\/p>\n

Own resources for the EU budget<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Both. Naturally, we consider it necessary\u2014not only in the United States of Europe, but even now\u2014that the European Union is given more opportunities to determine its own budget by levying genuine own resources, be it through a European corporate tax or a European CO2 tax; that is a matter of detail. But fundamentally, we are very strongly committed to having our own European budgetary resources. <\/p>\n

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The interview with MEP Claudia Gamon was conducted by Rainhard Kloucek via telephone.<\/p><\/div>\n

Paneuropa: But that would probably not go down very well with many people if they then have to pay additional taxes?<\/p>\n

Gamon: It doesn\u2019t have to be additional. On the contrary, it is simply about the European Union itself having the possibility to be more flexible with its budget. And the membership contributions of the member states should then be reduced by this amount. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: A few weeks ago, the European Commission presented its enlargement paper. Among other things, it proposes opening accession negotiations with Macedonia \u2013 North Macedonia \u2013 and Albania. How important is enlargement to you and to NEOS policy? <\/p>\n

Gamon: It is certainly an important perspective for the region. But the European Union learned from the last major enlargements that there is no value in countries joining that are not yet ready. As long as the criteria are not met, it is not an option for us. But it is important to start this process because it can move a lot forward regarding reform projects. That should also be the goal of the Union. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Starting enlargement negotiations does not mean they join today. Should accession negotiations begin now, as the Commission has recommended? <\/p>\n

More Caution with Enlargement<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Yes, that can be done, but we are simply pleading for more caution here than was the case in the past.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Especially regarding the perspective of EU membership, this is a great motivation for these countries to carry out corresponding reforms. Is the Commission or the European Union as a whole doing too little to tell these countries clearly: if you really want to become a member, then progress must be made on these reforms? <\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes, I think so. That needs to be stated more clearly. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: During the election campaign, you made a statement that was very pro-Ukrainian. This was also quoted by some media outlets in Ukraine. Should Ukraine be given a perspective for EU membership? <\/p>\n

Models Other Than Full Membership<\/h5>\n

Gamon: At the moment, I don\u2019t see that yet. But it is the same as the NEOS position on the Western Balkans. There must also be the possibility that a European perspective is not reduced solely to accession. It is not guaranteed that these countries will then actually join. I am of the opinion that we need a bit more imagination\u2014that a European perspective must also be possible outside of full membership. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: What could that be?<\/p>\n

Gamon: That is something that needs to be discussed. There are plenty of people who have dealt with enlargement processes for long enough and who have presented good models. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Very often, internal reform of the EU is discussed. French President Macron came forward with proposals: a separate parliament for the Eurozone, a separate finance minister for the Eurozone\u2014he refers primarily to the Eurozone. Are these proposals sensible, or would something like that not contribute to a further division within the European Union, to different speeds? <\/p>\n

Situation in Italy is Problematic<\/h5>\n

Gamon: With the Euro, the situation is problematic when you look at the state of affairs in Italy. More attention should have been paid to that in earlier decisions. This should be handled more strictly in the future. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: So, compliance with the stability criteria?<\/p>\n

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European integration means freedom for all citizens of the Union to be able to use the entire continent and to be citizens of Europe, and not just of a single nation state.<\/p><\/div>\n

Gamon: Yes.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: But that would mean that one is also prepared to impose corresponding sanctions?<\/p>\n

Criteria Must Be Met<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Yes, clearly. Either we commit to the fact that these criteria are necessary, or we don\u2019t. Otherwise, we have to talk about whether the principles make sense at all. But since the states have agreed that these are the criteria, they must also be adhered to. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: The problem is that ultimately the member states decide whether sanctions are imposed or not. And the member states have, among other things, decided outside of the treaties to bypass the no-bailout clause. Do the member states have too much power in the European Union? <\/p>\n

Gamon: That is something we have fundamentally criticised. But it is not about too much power. It is about how it is used. We have a fundamental problem with the principle of unanimity. A veto is something undemocratic and therefore to be rejected. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: So, away from the principle of unanimity?<\/p>\n

Away from the Unanimity Principle<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Absolutely. That is something very, very important. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Approximately 80 per cent of decisions are already made by majority vote. But for a treaty change, unanimity applies. Would you also be in favour of abandoning unanimity for treaty changes? <\/p>\n

Gamon: No, for a treaty change itself, it would make sense to decide that unanimously. Everyone should be on board. But we notice in day-to-day operations that there are still many cases left where the principle of unanimity is very relevant. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: External border protection is one such example where the member states have retained competence and did not want to Europeanise it.<\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: In that case, you would be in favour of giving up unanimity?<\/p>\n

Gamon: Absolutely.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Also for foreign policy issues?<\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes, of course.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: During the election campaign in Austria, the then Federal Chancellor mentioned, among other things, that a treaty change was needed. Do we really need a treaty change? <\/p>\n

Constitutional Convention for Treaty Change<\/h5>\n

Gamon: Yes, but not a half-hearted one. The \u00d6VP proposal included minor things that in some cases wouldn’t even have required a treaty change. What we envision is a genuine constitutional convention where we can talk again about what the European Union of the future can look like. Tiny treaty changes would not be enough for us. If you open up the subject of treaty change, then you should use the opportunity to strive for a major reform. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: At the NEOS campaign launch, a European passport was distributed. A very interesting idea. Can we conclude from this that there should be something like an actual European passport, where we are citizens of Europe and not just citizens of a nation state that is part of the European Union? <\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes, that is also part of our concept of the United States of Europe: a European citizenship, which is also linked to a fifth fundamental freedom\u2014the democratic freedom to be able to vote where you have your primary residence and the centre of your life.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: In the European elections or in general?<\/p>\n

Gamon: In general.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: So if I move to Slovakia, I also vote for the parliament in Slovakia?<\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes, exactly.<\/p>\n

Paneuropa: Because I am no longer a citizen of Austria, Slovakia, or any other country, but a citizen of the European Union?<\/p>\n

Gamon: That\u2019s it. But of course, you retain your Austrian citizenship. What then defines Austrian citizenship is that you can always decide to live in Austria itself again. But it should be possible through European citizenship to also vote where you have the centre of your life. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: The four fundamental freedoms have already been mentioned. They have been something like a constitution for the European Union since 1957, since the Treaties of Rome. Now, however, there are a whole series of measures that restrict these fundamental freedoms. I am thinking specifically of the Posting of Workers Directive, which restricts the freedom of movement and the freedom to work; or measures that bring in minimum wages. These are all very planned-economy approaches that keep appearing. Is that what one should imagine Europe to be? <\/p>\n

Gamon: There are plenty of things where it is important to ensure that rules are followed in the fight against wage and social dumping. One can certainly criticise one thing or another about the Posting of Workers Directive, but I quite openly admit that this is not my area of expertise. It would be more interesting to speak with social law experts about that. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: There are also always people calling for a social union or a European minimum wage. Is that sensible? <\/p>\n

Social Union is a Buzzword<\/h5>\n

Gamon: I believe the social union is a buzzword. It depends on what is meant by it. We clearly commit to European minimum standards, including in social matters. But I believe this is often used as a buzzword, especially by Social Democrats or Green parties, where it is not clear what is meant. But of course, the European Union is also a promise of a better life for citizens. Quite clearly. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: There is the recurring accusation that the European Union is far too bureaucratic and far too centralist. Is the European Union actually too bureaucratic and centralist? And if so, where would something need to change? <\/p>\n

Bureaucracy in the States and the EU<\/h5>\n

Gamon: You cannot give a full yes or no answer to that. There are areas where the European Union is perhaps a little too bureaucratic and others where that is not the case. Fighting corruption is a very important point. The European Union cannot afford it. That is why it is also important to have strict guidelines, especially when awarding subsidies. In regional funding, it has been shown that there are often bureaucratic hurdles. A reform is already planned to make this simpler. I believe this is a difficult area of tension in which the European Union operates. But I think it is wrong and populist to take an either-or position here. That would be too simplistic. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: One could probably also accuse the member states of being too bureaucratic?<\/p>\n

Gamon: Yes, of course. Which state isn’t bureaucratic? I can think of few. <\/p>\n

Paneuropa: We thank you very much for the conversation.<\/p>\n

\u00a9 Photos: Rainhard Kloucek, NEOS<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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